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In New York, a Black Market For Illegal Cigarettes Thrives
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Friday, December 27, 2002 | GORDON FAIRCLOUGH

Posted on 12/27/2002 1:22:33 PM PST by TroutStalker

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:47:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

NEW YORK -- As evening descends on Harlem, crowds of men and women coming home from work spill from subway stations onto 125th Street.

Ave, who won't give his last name, is waiting for them. Bundled against the cold in a red Sean John parka and a blue ski cap, he clutches a black plastic bag stuffed with one of New York's hottest illicit products.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: michaeldobbs; pufflist
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1 posted on 12/27/2002 1:22:33 PM PST by TroutStalker
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To: Just another Joe
For your list.
2 posted on 12/27/2002 1:23:08 PM PST by TroutStalker
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To: TroutStalker
I remember a 20/20, 60 Minutes type show on TV a couple of years ago about the black market for smokes in NY. NY Attorney General was one of the main guests on the show. He blamed Virginias low cigarette taxes for the problem. Never a single mention of NYs confiscatory cigarette taxes. And they have only gotten worse since then.

My mother-in-law was down here for Christmas. She left this morning to head home to NY. She had over 100 cartons of cigarettes in her car when she left for family and friends back home.

Take that you cigarette taxing nazis!

3 posted on 12/27/2002 1:26:19 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: TroutStalker
Also, many drug dealers are switching to cigarettes because the money is almost as good and the penalties if caught are far less.
4 posted on 12/27/2002 1:27:06 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: TroutStalker
The law of supply and demand strikes again...
5 posted on 12/27/2002 1:27:27 PM PST by Interesting Times
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To: TroutStalker
Wait. You mean you tax a product far above it's cost. And a blackmarket develops. I'm shocked, shocked I say.

Clearly Bloomberg flunked Econ 101.

6 posted on 12/27/2002 1:28:19 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: TroutStalker
Gee, I wonder how this happened?
7 posted on 12/27/2002 1:29:57 PM PST by Jhoffa_
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To: TroutStalker
Boob-berg's boondoggle. What did the idiot think would happen when he raised taxes that high? He's lost more in revenue and enforcement than he'd have gained by leaving the tax as it was.
8 posted on 12/27/2002 1:32:16 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TroutStalker
Cigarette smuggling not only can offer fat profit but is less risky than selling illegal drugs, law-enforcement authorities say. Drug trafficking carries sentences ranging from a minimum of five years to a maximum of life in prison. The top sentence for cigarette smuggling is five years. Federal prosecutors don't pursue cases involving fewer than 300 cartons; some van drivers load up exactly 299. Most cigarette smugglers "are not going to do serious jail time," says Edgar Domenech, head of the ATF's New York field office.

Instead of reducing the ridiculous tax rates, the goobermint will just up the mandatory minimum sentence for cigarette smugglers and include property confiscation.

9 posted on 12/27/2002 1:36:07 PM PST by jjm2111
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To: Phantom Lord
Dear Mr. Bloomberg,

I don't smoke and am against smoking, but I'm glad I live in (relatively) low tax Virginia. Thank you for being a RINO and making NYC an uncompetitive market, thereby giving Virginia this buiness and tax windfall. It almost makes up for all the NYC trash you ship to Virginia.

Sincerely,

A Southerner

11 posted on 12/27/2002 1:36:45 PM PST by Maedhros
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To: TroutStalker
"Newports, Newports. Cigarettes, cigarettes," he chants under his breath to passersby. Customers slip him $5 bills, and he gives each a green-and-white pack of smokes.

Newport. Menthol, which quadruples your chances of getting lung cancer. Menthol, which makes your lungs bleed and more susceptible to illnesses such a tuberculosis. Yet it is the cigarrette of choice among blacks. I don't get it. Makes as much sense as them voting in Democrats who then keep their kids in schools from hell with no way out.

12 posted on 12/27/2002 1:40:29 PM PST by montag813
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To: Phantom Lord
Ah,the human desire to self destruct continues!
Of course,all these"bargain hunters"will keep our medical costs soaring for years to come.
Its Ok,tho-they "got over"by not paying taxes!
13 posted on 12/27/2002 1:43:00 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: TroutStalker
$7.50 a pack for tailor mades? I'm shocked! That's more than a six-pack of premium beer. If I was a smoker, I'd be rolling my own.
14 posted on 12/27/2002 1:45:16 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: montag813
I asked a black co-worker of mine a few years ago why 99% of black people who smoke, smoke Newport. He really didn't have an answer.

I still can't figure it out.

15 posted on 12/27/2002 1:49:20 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Riverman94610
I fully support peoples efforts to evade these confiscatory taxes.
16 posted on 12/27/2002 1:50:26 PM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: montag813
Newport. Menthol, which quadruples your chances of getting lung cancer. Menthol, which makes your lungs bleed and more susceptible to illnesses such a tuberculosis... An will in all honesty end up as the root cause of the next ice age, blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada.
17 posted on 12/27/2002 1:52:14 PM PST by TightSqueeze
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To: TroutStalker
Good! I love the free black market.

Undermine the parasites, since they've oblivious to other forms of argument. Strangle the cashflow.

If I were a smoker, I'd do my part!

18 posted on 12/27/2002 1:56:33 PM PST by Hank Rearden
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To: Phantom Lord
Hey, that sounds like a plan! And the NY State and City gummints didn't see this coming? The tobacconazis don't seem to get it. It's a simple formula: raise taxes out of sight = bring on the illicit sales.

Brain deads like these actually elected Her Heinous to a Senate seat with the full support of NY RAT pols. Could it be that 'bacco criminals are paying for "protection" to RAT pols who need the donations? Just a thought, based upon past NYC history of the RAT gangs who did pay Tammany and other RAT organizations like the police for such protection (as per the book "The Gangs of NYC"--not the movie)

19 posted on 12/27/2002 2:04:48 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: Phantom Lord
Also, many drug dealers are switching to cigarettes because the money is almost as good and the penalties if caught are far less.
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LOL!
Soon we will have the druggies up in arms against the smokers. I can see the quotes now "They are taking out dealers away from us!"

20 posted on 12/27/2002 2:09:28 PM PST by taxcontrol
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